The Sandman
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 29, 2022 18:22:59 GMT -5
Based on a long, private, thoughtful conversation with The Chosen Ones, while I still think this point-splitting is 10/10 bullshit, and that our members got pretty dramatically fucked over, I'm going to allow the bullshit point split. In the end, it is impressive that a small group of people were actually able to work together and trust each other and accomplish something. Enough of me feels like that should be worth rewarding, even if the other 10 members of the site got severely ass-raped in the process. If anyone has any objections, talk to me privately. Chosen - 7 points Snakes - 3 points Hale Storm - 3 points Outback - 6 points Bullies - 6 points
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 29, 2022 18:28:22 GMT -5
Based on a long, private, thoughtful conversation with The Chosen Ones, while I still think this point-splitting is 10/10 bullshit, and that our members got pretty dramatically fucked over, I'm going to allow the bullshit point split. In the end, it is impressive that a small group of people were actually able to work together and trust each other and accomplish something. Enough of me feels like that should be worth rewarding, even if the other 10 members of the site got severely ass-raped in the process. If anyone has any objections, talk to me privately. Chosen - 7 points Snakes - 3 points Hale Storm - 3 points Outback - 6 points Bullies - 6 points I appreciate you letting my word continue to mean something
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 29, 2022 20:05:09 GMT -5
Glad this is over and now we can stop throwing a billion free points at people who are counting right? Right?
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 29, 2022 20:11:28 GMT -5
Wrong.
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 29, 2022 20:51:12 GMT -5
Glad this is over and now we can stop throwing a billion free points at people who are counting right? Right? How come you don't like any points games?
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Sept 29, 2022 21:18:41 GMT -5
Glad this is over and now we can stop throwing a billion free points at people who are counting right? Right? i agree we need to just cancel all these games. its just the same 3 people winnin and when you just let them all pull this shit and team up and share points anyway the rest of us dont have a chance. id rather stop giving the same people the billion free points like you said and go back to earning things ourselves.
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Sept 29, 2022 21:21:23 GMT -5
this on top of the shit phoenix said about how we didnt break any rules and some of us been trying to sign on for upgrades but theres nothing to do. this is like the third week where i have no points, so i just sit here and watch someone like rattlesnakes and chosen ones get more and more points to spend its just getting pointless Phoenix FC
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 29, 2022 21:22:35 GMT -5
I’m not gonna argue this but all I’ll say is everybody has been online in the last 7 days except for two members. You all had the chance to comment and keep this game going. Can’t be mad at the active members or Justin for what happened.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Sept 29, 2022 21:26:58 GMT -5
I legit dont care about the 25 points here I am however annoyed that we handed out 60 points on a thread where people count. Its been alive for five or six weeks? We gave out over half a year of salary in that time. I was cool with it being this count to 100 random thing but after that until the recent changes it just seems lame. But those changes were made so cool. I feel like a thread encouraging general discussion and handing out 2 or 3 random points for people contributing to that thread is a more rewarding experience.
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Post by Team GAP on Sept 29, 2022 22:09:18 GMT -5
Fish
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Sept 30, 2022 3:57:38 GMT -5
I’m not gonna argue this but all I’ll say is everybody has been online in the last 7 days except for two members. You all had the chance to comment and keep this game going. Can’t be mad at the active members or Justin for what happened. course your not gonna argue you didnt get fucked over. you did the fucking. i saw you were gonna win 2 days ago and didnt say shit because i didnt really care if you got 25 points. your team is in last you arent the best upgrader and you werent affected by the debt thing that much. but its really seriously fucked up that The Sandman would allow you to give points to others especially snakes when they didnt do anything. snakes had biggest debt besides ferocity who left and now because of all these point games he has 12 points when most of the league has had nothing all damn season just like Phoenix FC said. nothing. not a single damned point to spend or upgrade. i was with you when the point of the thing was that the overspending teams had to take our time and pay our debts and slow down the upgrades but this guy is sitting on 9 points right now and just got gifted 3 more. 6 really but again he was somehow allowed to donate half of them to his girlfriend like thats not some completely random bullshit weve never allowed before? seeing how all the games have done nothing but benefit the people who are already on top this whole thing is just completely broken. the new change might have helped it some but with this latest crap now and i dont even know if theres any coming back. rattlesnakes goes from 23 points of overused upgrades to using that to win his second grand prix in 3 seasons to now having what 12 points over debt to continue to upgrade while im sitting here signing in every week doing the games and all this shit with nothing to upgrade. im a top team so im not complaining about fairness for my team im not that concerned that way as ive shown with my donations in the past but being able to take a game meant to help people like this and then just letting all the same guys who win the counting game every few days collect 6 points each is right fucked. in this thread sandmen talked about a big whole precedent thing and not donating points and all that shit. then now out of absolutely no where its allowed??? why because chosen ones and snakes have him on text and get to sidebar with him or some shit???? this is the stupidest thing that has ever happened on this site in the 10 years i been apart of it
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 30, 2022 5:19:48 GMT -5
I legit dont care about the 25 points here I am however annoyed that we handed out 60 points on a thread where people count. Its been alive for five or six weeks? We gave out over half a year of salary in that time. I was cool with it being this count to 100 random thing but after that until the recent changes it just seems lame. But those changes were made so cool. I fully stand by the counting game, as it's (or at least was in theory) a game of chance that anyone and everyone had a chance to participate in. I think the changes fix the problems that have been exposed by its current iteration. Basically just repeating publicly what I told you privately, 60 points for 6 weeks of daily game and excitement and participation, spread across anyone who participates could hypothetically work out to around 0.8 points per team per week if we had better participation. In a way, the counting game has shown it's pretty much a game of 3 people. And when I tried to curb that privately, I got a lot of angry pushback. But with the current compromise in play, it might be better (which you've mentioned, so I'm mostly just thinking out loud now, not really countering any points or anything... Major takeaway is what I said above - 0.8 points per team per week is nothing and well worth the trade-off in participation, engagement, and in the case of Rocketmen, educational value from the wikigoogles!
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 30, 2022 5:28:38 GMT -5
I’m not gonna argue this but all I’ll say is everybody has been online in the last 7 days except for two members. You all had the chance to comment and keep this game going. Can’t be mad at the active members or Justin for what happened. course your not gonna argue you didnt get fucked over. you did the fucking. i saw you were gonna win 2 days ago and didnt say shit because i didnt really care if you got 25 points. your team is in last you arent the best upgrader and you werent affected by the debt thing that much. but its really seriously fucked up that The Sandman would allow you to give points to others especially snakes when they didnt do anything. snakes had biggest debt besides ferocity who left and now because of all these point games he has 12 points when most of the league has had nothing all damn season just like Phoenix FC said. nothing. not a single damned point to spend or upgrade. i was with you when the point of the thing was that the overspending teams had to take our time and pay our debts and slow down the upgrades but this guy is sitting on 9 points right now and just got gifted 3 more. 6 really but again he was somehow allowed to donate half of them to his girlfriend like thats not some completely random bullshit weve never allowed before? seeing how all the games have done nothing but benefit the people who are already on top this whole thing is just completely broken. the new change might have helped it some but with this latest crap now and i dont even know if theres any coming back. rattlesnakes goes from 23 points of overused upgrades to using that to win his second grand prix in 3 seasons to now having what 12 points over debt to continue to upgrade while im sitting here signing in every week doing the games and all this shit with nothing to upgrade. im a top team so im not complaining about fairness for my team im not that concerned that way as ive shown with my donations in the past but being able to take a game meant to help people like this and then just letting all the same guys who win the counting game every few days collect 6 points each is right fucked. in this thread sandmen talked about a big whole precedent thing and not donating points and all that shit. then now out of absolutely no where its allowed??? why because chosen ones and snakes have him on text and get to sidebar with him or some shit???? this is the stupidest thing that has ever happened on this site in the 10 years i been apart of it So this is really frustrating to read, and I don't think most of it is your fault - just a clusterfuck of stupid circumstances that make everything a lose-lose shitshow. 1) I agree and will continue to agree everyone got fucked with the conspiracy, and think it was bullshit. But there's only so much fight I have in me. I'm trying to sim a god damned sim site, and basically, I outlined my overarching reasons for going with it - co-operation should be rewarded, combined with IN THEORY, anyone could have posted at any time to interrupt the 7 days. Except GAP, who was on vacation. And Mike, who was on vacation. And Justin, who was on vacation...do we see a pattern here? More I type, more I feel like the win really was bullshit, lol. Anyway, that's not the point. The point is no matter what is done here, The Game became a lose-lose situation as soon as it turned into a private scam-fest. I don't feel like I can fairly do anything one way or another about it, as I really don't feel like pissing off half the league - which will be the case regardless. The purpose of the games was to create something fun for everyone where everyone had a chance to win extra points. 4 people ruined that for this game, and 2 different members ruined the counting game by winning it too much (then another hated on it because it was a counting game and he hates counting because of childhood trauma surrounding an unnamed Sesame Street character). Moral - this is lose-lose, everyone lost (except those who didn't) and ManMMA is probably worse off for it. It's all done now. Unless the clique of winners want to compromise yet again, and just give everyone who participated in this The Game thread at one point or another 2 points, I would be willing to do that. But regardless, this game was really fun and exciting for me until the minute it wasn't, now, like most things here, something I tried to do for fun turned to ashes in my mouth. Fun. 2) Counting is a game of chance, and with the changes made, the odds of other teams winning should increase. At least as much as random chance would allow. I would like to continue that, since it is simple, clean, unbiased, and Mike hates it for literally no reason.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 30, 2022 6:00:18 GMT -5
I'm down for everyone who participated to get 2 points, but that was offered early on by Chosen Ones, and nobody accepted it
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 30, 2022 6:51:09 GMT -5
I won't be going down that route as I explained to Justin privately, any of my offers made on this thread were voided once people commented after me.
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