The Sandman
The Mad King
Black Belt (7th Degree)
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 27, 2022 1:10:54 GMT -5
What would you guys think of something like this:
Part 1
At the beginning of the season, every team submits their best/chosen fighter from each weightclass. This is their "A-Team" for the season. These will be the fighters who get booked into fights, tournaments, etc. Their other fighters can still be upgraded or traded, but the focus becomes everyone's A-Team.
Their B-team fighters get a point (or some points?) for sitting out, as though they are out training during their time off.
Then, either at the end of the season, or after Survivor Series, teams have an opportunity to switch guys if they want, from then until the remainder of the season.
That part can stand on its own, and be it's own thing, but it can also be expanded into this:
Part 2
In order to help with the "the best teams just get better and the bottom teams never improve" complaint, we bring in basically a "waivers" system, where the fighters on a teams "B-Team" are open to being claimed by other teams (likely with the condition that fighter is then on the new teams A-Team).1
Part 2 can stand on its own like that, or it can also be expanded into this:
Part 3
We can also add if teams want to protect their B-teams from waivers, they can pay points to protect a fighter type thing. This would mean top teams would either be giving up some depth to weaker teams, or they would have less points to use to keep themselves on top.
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1 For functionality, when a "claim" happens, it would work as a swap, with the claiming team taking the fighter they claimed, and giving an unwanted fighter from that same weightclass back to the waiving team.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 27, 2022 8:15:43 GMT -5
I'm not loving it, I don't see what it would accomplish? I feel like some people would just leave their B team to rot.
What If we instead made it so the entire roster fights for the season, and then on the second half only A Team in hopes to conserve their record for the GP?
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Post by The Hale Storm on Mar 27, 2022 8:59:15 GMT -5
I’m don’t really enjoy the idea of splitting my team and just focusing on one half. I also don’t really enjoy the idea of having to pay to keep my fighters that aren’t on my “A-team”.
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 27, 2022 9:36:51 GMT -5
I like parts of this, and will share the idea that it triggered in my head.
I will also preface this that while this may not be liked, this is the problem I believe this can fix - it helps to encourage teams to upgrade their fighters and stop fighters from being neglected.
Step 1 - A-Team and B-Team:
Teams have a total of 12 fighters, 2 per division.
During the off-season, teams select their A-Team and B-Team, 1 fighter per position.
Rocketmen Team A: 6 Fighters (FW, BW, LW, WW, MW, HW)
Rocketmen Team B: 6 Fighters (FW, BW, LW, WW, MW, HW)
All teams are listed as such in the league Roster Page.
Step 2 - 3 Point Rule
Any team that commits a minimum of 3 points to upgrade a given fighter listed on their B-Team has "purchased" an auto-protect on said fighter.
Any fighter on the B-Team that did not receive 3 upgrade points across a single season are eligible for Step 3.
If a team invests 3 points to each B-Team Fighter, they have officially protected their roster for the season. It would cost 18 points to do this. That's a total of 9 events, so less than half the season, in just acquired salary points to protect your entire team and your bottom 5 fighters get that much better.
Step 3 - B-Team Auction
All B-Team fighters (minus 3 point upgrade protected fighters) are listed in the off-season Auction, but remain a part of their existing team's roster.
Then, using the Draft Order, we do a Keeper-Trade Invitation:
1. Last Place - Rocketmen
2. Second Last Place - Texas
3. Third Last Place - Byron
etc.
In order, each team can look at their existing B-Team Roster, and opt to do a 1 for 1 trade with the same division fighter on their team for a fighter that is listed in the Auction as part of another team's B-Team.
Example:
Texas protects MW Anderson Silva but his B-Team lists MW Wanderlei Silva.
Rocketman protects MW Israel Adesanya but his B-Team lists MW Chael Sonnen.
Rocketmen elects to trade Sonnen to Texas for Silva.
Texas now has Anderson Silva and Sonnen.
- You Can Only Lose 1 Fighter (After a team has had a fighter taken from them in the swap, they can not be re-targeted)
- This ensures that no team has more than 1 fighter taken from them each off-season, but that team can still elect to do their own swap when their draft spot is reached, but they cannot swap their fighter back.
On and on we go through a 1 round draft. Some teams likely opting not to swap.
Step 4 - After the Keeper Draft
Teams can then go and do add and drops from free agency, as per usual. But at this point, rosters are locked for the year. All fighters are still eligible for tournaments, number one contenders, etc. and you now own your roster for the next 20 events (which amounts to about 5 real-life months).
Random Thoughts Connected to This Idea
20 Events plus Grand Prix is about 21 weeks of salaries, or 42ish points.
So at most, each season each team has 42 points to work with, and likely are committing those points primarily to their Top 5, so it makes the bottom 5 more fluid.
We all have 12 fighters, so to protect our entire B-Team we have to commit 18 points across those six fighters (3 points each). That still leaves teams 24 points acquired across the season by salary, not including prediction wins and POTN to fine tune any fighter on their roster.
By committing 3 points per season to a B-Team fighter it encourages teams to grow their fighter's talent, instead of putting them at risk of being claimed. This is the whole point of this suggestion - to make fighters better, regardless of what team they are actually on.
Teams could also strategize opting not to upgrade a specific fighter, exposing only 1 fighter to the draft, and using those "3 points" not used to protect said B-fighter across their other fighters.
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 27, 2022 13:23:04 GMT -5
Honestly, it just sounds like an overcomplicating "solution" to fix a perceived problem that really doesn't exist this early into Era 2. I also echo Hale's comments as well... I’m don’t really enjoy the idea of splitting my team and just focusing on one half. I also don’t really enjoy the idea of having to pay to keep my fighters that aren’t on my “A-team”. That being said, what I would propose, in addition to keeping the tournaments the way they are, and seeing as how the actual underlying issue here seems to be folks not upgrading their fighters & just sitting on 40-60pts again, cuz they seem not to give a shit... Well, fine. Why not re-introduce & enforce the points limit system again. So, if you're sitting there not upgrading your fighters, and just hoarding points, collecting your weekly pay, your entire team is just automatically on the undercard, with no tournament eligibility or title shots until your under the points limit; something relatively low too, like 20-30pts. That way, it encourages folks that actually give a shit to upgrade their fighters. The folks that actually somehow believe this 'epidemic' of "scrubs" in the tournaments is taking a foothold already, after only 2 seasons 🙄, are happy, cuz the rate of "scrubs" will be reduced in said tournaments. And, those of us that believe the tournaments are the fairest way to determine our contenders are happy, cuz the tournaments stay in place and it's not a case of one person just deciding who gets a shot and who doesn't. Everyone that actually gives a shit, participates, and is active, wins in that scenario. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 27, 2022 14:03:18 GMT -5
20 to 30 feels too low, but 60 is too high. 45 seems like a good cap to me. As for the tournament thing, there'd still be #1C fights
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 27, 2022 14:15:48 GMT -5
20 to 30 feels too low, but 60 is too high. 45 seems like a good cap to me. As for the tournament thing, there'd still be #1C fights If you're actually actively upgrading your fighters, 20-30 is more than ample. It also eliminates a lot of those "scrubs" that are being claimed to be "too rampant" in the the tournaments, and also takes away any fictitious need to take the tournaments out at all. I honestly don't care who Sandman thinks should be contenders, and who shouldn't. 🤷 That's not up to him, in any capacity, and it shouldn't be. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 27, 2022 14:31:53 GMT -5
20 to 30 feels too low, but 60 is too high. 45 seems like a good cap to me. As for the tournament thing, there'd still be #1C fights If you're actually actively upgrading your fighters, 20-30 is more than ample. It also eliminates a lot of those "scrubs" that are being claimed to be "too rampant" in the the tournaments, and also takes away any fictitious need to take the tournaments out at all. I honestly don't care who Sandman thinks should be contenders, and who shouldn't. 🤷 That's not up to him, in any capacity, and it shouldn't be. Except he does all the booking and matchmaking, so that's a weird take. As for the point thing, I feel like that would hurt the casuals a bit too much. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 27, 2022 14:55:31 GMT -5
If you're actually actively upgrading your fighters, 20-30 is more than ample. It also eliminates a lot of those "scrubs" that are being claimed to be "too rampant" in the the tournaments, and also takes away any fictitious need to take the tournaments out at all. I honestly don't care who Sandman thinks should be contenders, and who shouldn't. 🤷 That's not up to him, in any capacity, and it shouldn't be. Except he does all the booking and matchmaking, so that's a weird take. As for the point thing, I feel like that would hurt the casuals a bit too much. It's not that weird of take. You weren't around when he was doing it that way before the tournaments. And, sadly, that's all any of this, or his thought of removing the tournaments, is about; him being in control over things he shouldn't have control over. Cuz it's somehow not going quite how he envisioned, though I'm not sure how having only gone through 2 seasons, but we have the same problem of folks not upgrading & just collecting points, which is ultimately what's happening here. There's no need to hit the panic button at this early point when we just don't have the established fighters in Era 2 yet, like we did in Era 1; even by the point we added upgrade system, we already had fairly established fighters in the league. This "chick-little" attitude that it's all going for shit already, is premature, and a total crock. Maybe after 5 seasons, at the earliest, start assessing some of these things, but not after only 2. As for the points thing, that IS the point... Cuz it's the casuals & ultra-casuals that are giving you your "scrubs" in the tournaments cuz they're upgrading very little, or not at all. |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 28, 2022 3:03:40 GMT -5
It's not that weird of take. You weren't around when he was doing it that way before the tournaments. And, sadly, that's all any of this, or his thought of removing the tournaments, is about; him being in control over things he shouldn't have control over. Cuz it's somehow not going quite how he envisioned, can we put an end to all this? either can phoenix stop on his own or can we do something to have people focus on what is being asked or discussed and not have this idiot constantly making us all look stupid by spreading his tinfoil hat conspiracy shit all over this place? there was absolutely no need for this crap in this thread at fucking all. this was about a teams and b teams and this wackjob is now talking about people trying to control everything when this whole suggestion and even rocketmens suggestion too are about giving more and more control and power to us members. like this has to stop!!! hopefully phoenix fc can just stop on his own but if not. fuck. please. someone. anyone. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 28, 2022 10:06:40 GMT -5
It's not that weird of take. You weren't around when he was doing it that way before the tournaments. And, sadly, that's all any of this, or his thought of removing the tournaments, is about; him being in control over things he shouldn't have control over. Cuz it's somehow not going quite how he envisioned, can we put an end to all this? either can phoenix stop on his own or can we do something to have people focus on what is being asked or discussed and not have this idiot constantly making us all look stupid by spreading his tinfoil hat conspiracy shit all over this place? there was absolutely no need for this crap in this thread at fucking all. this was about a teams and b teams and this wackjob is now talking about people trying to control everything when this whole suggestion and even rocketmens suggestion too are about giving more and more control and power to us members. like this has to stop!!! hopefully phoenix fc can just stop on his own but if not. fuck. please. someone. anyone. Explain exactly how you figure that suggesting to force us to split up our teams and/or put them on "waivers" is giving us any control Byron... Oh right... It doesn't. 🙄🤦😂😂 |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 28, 2022 10:44:46 GMT -5
can we put an end to all this? either can phoenix stop on his own or can we do something to have people focus on what is being asked or discussed and not have this idiot constantly making us all look stupid by spreading his tinfoil hat conspiracy shit all over this place? there was absolutely no need for this crap in this thread at fucking all. this was about a teams and b teams and this wackjob is now talking about people trying to control everything when this whole suggestion and even rocketmens suggestion too are about giving more and more control and power to us members. like this has to stop!!! hopefully phoenix fc can just stop on his own but if not. fuck. please. someone. anyone. Explain exactly how you figure that suggesting to force us to split up our teams and/or put them on "waivers" is giving us any control Byron... Oh right... It doesn't. 🙄🤦😂😂 Only way I could think of is if we ditched the waiver system, and the B team was in training camp earning points that way. Then it'd make sense, and we wouldn't have to have a bunch of losses, but I'd rather the A team and B team swapped every like five events or something, but then we'd just have the same people fighting each other again, and I don't think it would work out. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 28, 2022 11:26:51 GMT -5
Explain exactly how you figure that suggesting to force us to split up our teams and/or put them on "waivers" is giving us any control Byron... Oh right... It doesn't. 🙄🤦😂😂 Only way I could think of is if we ditched the waiver system, and the B team was in training camp earning points that way. Then it'd make sense, and we wouldn't have to have a bunch of losses, but I'd rather the A team and B team swapped every like five events or something, but then we'd just have the same people fighting each other again, and I don't think it would work out. Exactly, and it kinda defeats the purpose of having 2 fighters per weight class when half of them aren't even fighting for half the season, or whatever, and it really doesn't address the actual issue of folks not upgrading their fighters. It's just gives them a free pass, and free upgrades, basically rewarding them for being idle. So why would they bother starting to upgrade their fighters when once their "B team" overtakes their "A team", they basically switch and the old "A team" becomes the "B team", and the cycle continues. That really doesn't seem like any sort of solution to encourage people to upgrade their fighters. |
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Post by Outback Cyclone on Mar 29, 2022 10:27:15 GMT -5
I agree with the points cap idea - obviously I'm nowhere close to hitting any of the suggestions but that feels like a decent move. Otherwise this all feels... overly complicated.
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