The Sandman
The Mad King
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 18, 2022 21:41:40 GMT -5
Nobody will ever be happy with equality, everybody wants to be in power. Just take the Palestine/Israel nonstop war for example. Israel started off with 6% of the land but wanted to be equal, once they got to that point they then decided they wanted more until they owned all of it and essentially buried Palestine behind walls. Same goes for the gender war, feminists don’t want equality, they want power and that’s already been shown by the “we don’t need men” movements. You don’t see men saying that shit lol, we know we need women just as they need us. I myself am all for equality but this world is filled of greed that equality is beyond impossible, there will always be people in power and it’ll always be a battle until everybody just learns to stop giving a shit what your race or gender is and start working as one to make our planet better. The Israel-Palestine is uniquely different, since Israel has pretty much always felt it was their God-ordained destiny to take what they want, being they see themselves as the chosen people and all that (I read parts of the Old Testament not too long ago, and damn the Old-Testament-Jews and God were both unequivocal assholes!). I'm not sure what "feminists" you are listening to, but you've described textbook extremists. Anyone saying any sex is superior, or you don't need the other is literally, by definition, not a feminist. (And more likely just a bot or troll amplifying anti-feminist theology, or people who have spent no time actually studying what actual feminist theory is about. (I used to be this, so I know all about it - I used to hate feminists and think of them all as man-haters who wanted superiority. Then I studied a ton of feminist theory, found I agreed with nearly 100% of it, and was on board. The biggest problem with mainstream feminism, especially that which you see on social media, in the "news", press, etc., is not a search for superiority. For that, women would need to be at a place of meaningful equality, and they still aren't even there yet. No, for me, it's been a lack of room at the table for mens rights movements, and issues pertaining to non-extremist mens-rights-movements. There are tons of feminists who do support these causes as wells, and support legitimate sex equality (like abolishing "women and children first" during emergency situations, making women eligible for military conscription etc). But for the most part, the focus is in bringing the base status of women up, so there isn't room (some feel) for extra issues on the table. This lack of focus on overall gender equality as a whole was actually what made me stop identifying as a feminist in name, because the movement was a little bit more narrow-minded than my own personal outlook had grown to be. I'm still passionate about all issues of equality, and based on its textbook definition, am still a feminist, there's just far too much distance between where I feel people need to go and the scope of most larger bodies of feminist theory, ideology, and discourse. At least that I have found. I'm sure in the scholarly forum there's much better discourse going on, but I've been out of that circle for quite a while now I agree greed is a small part of things like racism and whatever other ism people want to buy into. But I think it's a battle against human nature. We are social creatures. We have developed to where we are today by being parts of tribes and groups and social circles. And in every social tribe, you have a hierarchy. Historically, it was better for our survival if we were not the lowest person on the social totem pole, so we would find ways to establish ourselves as higher up in the hierarchy than others. I suppose from a survival sense, this would be so that at no point in time were we considered expendable to our tribe, since that would affect our ability to survive. But our civilizations and technologies have pushed us past that, but our brains have not caught up. We still look for these hierarchies and still feel the need to try to establish ourselves as better, smarter, or superior to others pretty much everywhere. Hence things like bullying at ridiculously young ages. Any form of mocking others, or ridicule. And the 'isms. If our race, sex, gender, class, religion, etc is better, we are "saver" from social ostracization, so we still cling to those archaic hierarchies. Clearly, for the betterment of us all, we need to drop that shit, and grow the fuck up sooner rather than later. ,
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The Sandman
The Mad King
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Post by The Sandman on Sept 18, 2022 21:55:18 GMT -5
Then we’re all good lmao. There’s a lot of Zionists in Israel, if I had a “Free Palestine” sticker on our car here I would probably be either dead or close to it by now lmao. It’s honestly quite sad how little they care about our lives and yet Canada and the US supports them and calls us the terrorists… Politics are so gross. They condemn Putin for doing the same shit Israel has been doing for 50 years. Then suck up to Israel because global political maneuvering. At least more and more people on social media are making public figures question the blind support of the Israeli occupation and genocide. This was absolutely unheard of the first time I saw someone with a "We Are All Palestinians" shirt in University and knew almost nothing about that whole clusterfuck. So yay expanding public awareness, I guess? Maybe that will get us somewhere? (glances over at China and the Uyghurs)...or not?
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 5:12:33 GMT -5
Nobody will ever be happy with equality, everybody wants to be in power. Just take the Palestine/Israel nonstop war for example. Israel started off with 6% of the land but wanted to be equal, once they got to that point they then decided they wanted more until they owned all of it and essentially buried Palestine behind walls. Same goes for the gender war, feminists don’t want equality, they want power and that’s already been shown by the “we don’t need men” movements. You don’t see men saying that shit lol, we know we need women just as they need us. I myself am all for equality but this world is filled of greed that equality is beyond impossible, there will always be people in power and it’ll always be a battle until everybody just learns to stop giving a shit what your race or gender is and start working as one to make our planet better. The Israel-Palestine is uniquely different, since Israel has pretty much always felt it was their God-ordained destiny to take what they want, being they see themselves as the chosen people and all that (I read parts of the Old Testament not too long ago, and damn the Old-Testament-Jews and God were both unequivocal assholes!). I'm not sure what "feminists" you are listening to, but you've described textbook extremists. Anyone saying any sex is superior, or you don't need the other is literally, by definition, not a feminist. (And more likely just a bot or troll amplifying anti-feminist theology, or people who have spent no time actually studying what actual feminist theory is about. (I used to be this, so I know all about it - I used to hate feminists and think of them all as man-haters who wanted superiority. Then I studied a ton of feminist theory, found I agreed with nearly 100% of it, and was on board. The biggest problem with mainstream feminism, especially that which you see on social media, in the "news", press, etc., is not a search for superiority. For that, women would need to be at a place of meaningful equality, and they still aren't even there yet. No, for me, it's been a lack of room at the table for mens rights movements, and issues pertaining to non-extremist mens-rights-movements. There are tons of feminists who do support these causes as wells, and support legitimate sex equality (like abolishing "women and children first" during emergency situations, making women eligible for military conscription etc). But for the most part, the focus is in bringing the base status of women up, so there isn't room (some feel) for extra issues on the table. This lack of focus on overall gender equality as a whole was actually what made me stop identifying as a feminist in name, because the movement was a little bit more narrow-minded than my own personal outlook had grown to be. I'm still passionate about all issues of equality, and based on its textbook definition, am still a feminist, there's just far too much distance between where I feel people need to go and the scope of most larger bodies of feminist theory, ideology, and discourse. At least that I have found. I'm sure in the scholarly forum there's much better discourse going on, but I've been out of that circle for quite a while now I agree greed is a small part of things like racism and whatever other ism people want to buy into. But I think it's a battle against human nature. We are social creatures. We have developed to where we are today by being parts of tribes and groups and social circles. And in every social tribe, you have a hierarchy. Historically, it was better for our survival if we were not the lowest person on the social totem pole, so we would find ways to establish ourselves as higher up in the hierarchy than others. I suppose from a survival sense, this would be so that at no point in time were we considered expendable to our tribe, since that would affect our ability to survive. But our civilizations and technologies have pushed us past that, but our brains have not caught up. We still look for these hierarchies and still feel the need to try to establish ourselves as better, smarter, or superior to others pretty much everywhere. Hence things like bullying at ridiculously young ages. Any form of mocking others, or ridicule. And the 'isms. If our race, sex, gender, class, religion, etc is better, we are "saver" from social ostracization, so we still cling to those archaic hierarchies. Clearly, for the betterment of us all, we need to drop that shit, and grow the fuck up sooner rather than later. , I’m all for women’s rights, I support the equality when it makes sense to. One thing that will never make sense is why female sport’s players that want to make as much as men. It’s not how business works. The men make as much as they do because of how much revenue they bring to the league, the girls aren’t there yet. One day for sure but they’ll keep killing their leagues trying to earn as much as men when the revenue isn’t there to support it. I believe (I can’t remember which league if it was the WNBA or PHF) one of their leagues has literally been running at a deficit for the last few years because it’s trying to pay it’s players more. And then we hear the it’s because men don’t support women, the NHL should be donating money to the league. This is a business not a charity lol. If your league makes 25M you can’t expect all the players to be making what NHL players do, you’ll go bankrupt immediately. It’s as if AHL or ECHL players started to ask for more money, it makes no sense as the revenue of the league won’t support it. Does it suck? Yes, but it’s basic economics. And you also bring up a great point, look at the titanic. How many men died in comparison to women? WW1 & WW2 how many men died in comparison to women? Who does the more risky jobs? For the most part men. I’m all for equality but if you want that it’ll go both ways. Who dies more from suicide? Men. If a man doesn’t provide for his wife and child the woman is cheered for leaving him. If a woman wants the baby but the man doesn’t she can still have it and he has to provide, if a man wants the baby but the woman doesn’t she can have an abortion and the man gets ridiculed for not supporting her. Men are expected to hide their emotions, to not look soft, to be strong for their wife and children. Legit look at recent events with the Royal Family. The amount of Tik Toks I saw from women ridiculing Prince William for not opening the door for Kate while Prince Harry was praised for opening the door for Meghan. It’s their grandmother’s funeral lol. Why couldn’t Kate open the door for Prince William? I think we’re honestly very close to being equal, obvious both sides have different pros but it honestly feels like women want all the pros that come with being a man but want none of the cons. That where the inequality where come from. As for the Palestine/Israel situation, that’s exactly it. The world was quick to defend Ukraine and yet will allow Palestine to be erased from the planet. While people have finally started to realize the truth (via social media as the actual media is still showing Israel as the victims) it isn’t enough as the people can only do so much when their country’s leader turns a blind eye to the situation. I’ve never been more disappointed in Canada than when they offered their support to Israel after all the rallying and protests people had.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 8:01:06 GMT -5
I'm sorry to say, I really don't know much about the Israel/Palastine Conflict. I know that Israel believed they were the promised people or something and they believe they're entitled to the land, but I don't understand when it got out of hand or why? Also, how tf did people just show up and say "this is ours now?" and it actually work? Why were they given any of the land? I'm sure these are all dumb questions that could be answered with a Google search, but conversation is more fun.
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 8:46:27 GMT -5
Essentially Palestine was owned by Britain (sort of like Canada). After the war Britain gave them a part of Palestine so that they had somewhere to live. From that point onwards it has been a constant battle and the Zionist movement really pushes the agenda of having Israel being in full control of Palestine. Zionists (and this is gonna sound horrible but it’s sadly true) are trying to do to Palestinians what Hitler tried to do to the Jews. But then they always play the victim and call anybody that argues with them anti-Semitic.
The Holocaust card gets pulled extremely fast anybody calls them out on their wrongdoings when they will just murder Palestinian at will and then use the same excuse of “they are terrorists and their terrorists were using the schools and hospitals at hiding spots” but when people actually dig through to see if there’s any truth behind that it’s complete bullshit. They use that same excuse every time and blew up Palestine’s media headquarters because they were getting the truth out and Israel didn’t like it.
On top of that they arrested one of Palestine’s leading journalists and imprisoned her for 10 days and have just released her out on bail under house arrest where she can’t post anything publicly until her trial is over. Any why was she arrested? Because she was digging too much into what Israel was doing and was releasing too much information that could incriminate them and show the world who the real terrorists are.
Recently there was a video circulating on Twitter of Israeli officers arresting a Palestinian media producer and while his nose was already bleeding they were pushing their knee on the back of his head and pushing it into the ground with just a pile of blood coming from his face. With zero legitimate reason to arrest him either. It’s disgusting. But as soon as somebody says whoah, what you’re doing is wrong and an act of terrorism they come back with the same excuse as always “stop being anti-Semitic, we are fighting for our land”.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 8:51:08 GMT -5
What is Israel's perspective on the whole thing? I'm sure majority of the people living there just want to live, or are the people there pretty much united in hate?
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 8:58:10 GMT -5
What is Israel's perspective on the whole thing? I'm sure majority of the people living there just want to live, or are the people there pretty much united in hate? Let’s just say they keep voting in the governments that try to destroy Palestine more and more
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 9:02:22 GMT -5
What is Israel's perspective on the whole thing? I'm sure majority of the people living there just want to live, or are the people there pretty much united in hate? Let’s just say they keep voting in the governments that try to destroy Palestine more and more Is there literally anyone backing Palestine in all of this? Other than citizens of foreign countries?
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 9:33:45 GMT -5
Let’s just say they keep voting in the governments that try to destroy Palestine more and more Is there literally anyone backing Palestine in all of this? Other than citizens of foreign countries? Yes, Iran, Yemen, Turkey, Bangladesh, to a degree Russia and China. Essentially anybody again the US supports Palestine as Israel is seen as the US’ puppet.
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 9:59:24 GMT -5
Fuuuuuuck. Yeah, those are not the greatest allies to have.... What a shitty situation. I think everyone needs to eat a tab of acid and realize we're all just people on this planet. Let's just be people and live!
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 10:10:54 GMT -5
Never gonna happen with religion in this world lol
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 10:33:02 GMT -5
Never gonna happen with religion in this world lol #abolishreligion?
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 10:34:06 GMT -5
Not for me, I wasn’t much of a believer until back to back car accidents
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Sept 19, 2022 10:39:13 GMT -5
Not for me, I wasn’t much of a believer until back to back car accidents Haha, I was kidding. My entire family is hardcore religious, but I feel like that kind of pushed me away from religion. I WANT to believe that there is a God and Heaven exists, but I literally don't know if deep down I actually believe or if it's just me not wanting to think about Death really just being the end. I have a huge death phobia, nothing drives my anxiety through the roof like thinking about dying, and yet it's guaranteed.
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Post by The Chosen Ones on Sept 19, 2022 10:43:16 GMT -5
Not for me, I wasn’t much of a believer until back to back car accidents Haha, I was kidding. My entire family is hardcore religious, but I feel like that kind of pushed me away from religion. I WANT to believe that there is a God and Heaven exists, but I literally don't know if deep down I actually believe or if it's just me not wanting to think about Death really just being the end. I have a huge death phobia, nothing drives my anxiety through the roof like thinking about dying, and yet it's guaranteed. I was like you, in fact I told my family straight up that I didn’t believe in God and on that day is when I got into my first car accident. The rosary I had in my car broke, Jesus cut in half and sliced my finger, I kid you not lol. From there I started going to church again and was believing. Then shut kept happening and when I was driving home from work I started doubting again and boom a larger car accident where my airbag went off, cuts and bruises across my body. From that point on I’ve had full faith but I don’t let others dictate to me what I should be doing with my faith.
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