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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 24, 2022 15:21:01 GMT -5
Also, Every fight is treated like the 1st round of a tournament now because if you're on a winning streak then you're more likely to get a shot at a number one contender fight whereas if you aren't you're not going to, so the fighters still have to decide their own fate by winning fights.
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 24, 2022 15:26:15 GMT -5
Wow... You are so naive man. 🤦 He doesn't need to get rid of the tournaments in order to do anything like that for special circumstances. Again, he's fabricated a fictitious problem in order to be able to pick and choose who the #1 contender is, himself, instead letting the fighters determine it, which is fairest way for everyone involved. Plus, you're going on & on about Arlovski, yet Machida went on the exact same sort of run, and was actually named MVP. Why not give the MVP if the GP a title shot as one of those special circumstances? That makes a helluva lot more sense. 🤔🤷🤨 Hmm maybe because Machida just fought for the belt right before the GP 🤔🤔🤔🤔 So what? 🤷 He went on the same sort of tear Arlo did, and was deemed to have done it better than Arlo. So what's the difference? 🤔🤔🤔 |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 24, 2022 15:28:32 GMT -5
Hmm maybe because Machida just fought for the belt right before the GP 🤔🤔🤔🤔 So what? 🤷 He went on the same sort of tear Arlo did, and was deemed to have done it better than Arlo. So what's the difference? 🤔🤔🤔 This is supposed to give champions more diverse opponents as well. Machida is probably in for an immediate #1C fight if I booked it, but I dont book the fights, that's up to The Sandman who has been doing great so far, so I doubt he's all of a sudden going to start making ridiculous title fights lmfao. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 24, 2022 15:37:42 GMT -5
So what? 🤷 He went on the same sort of tear Arlo did, and was deemed to have done it better than Arlo. So what's the difference? 🤔🤔🤔 This is supposed to give champions more diverse opponents as well. Machida is probably in for an immediate #1C fight if I booked it, but I dont book the fights, that's up to The Sandman who has been doing great so far, so I doubt he's all of a sudden going to start making ridiculous title fights lmfao. That's what he'd have you believe, sure... And they do get diverse opponents already, Sandman's just "unenthused" about who is getting the shots & winning the tournaments cuz it's not who he likes getting them, so he just wants to choose them himself to make himself happy, and fuck everyone else. 🤷 The clue is right in his opening statement... It's all "I", "I", "I"... 🤷 He didn't really identify any actual league problem; only his own problem, that really doesn't exist as an actual problem, except that he doesn't have control of it, and that's his problem, not a league problem. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 24, 2022 17:32:50 GMT -5
This is supposed to give champions more diverse opponents as well. Machida is probably in for an immediate #1C fight if I booked it, but I dont book the fights, that's up to The Sandman who has been doing great so far, so I doubt he's all of a sudden going to start making ridiculous title fights lmfao. That's what he'd have you believe, sure... And they do get diverse opponents already, Sandman's just "unenthused" about who is getting the shots & winning the tournaments cuz it's not who he likes getting them, so he just wants to choose them himself to make himself happy, and fuck everyone else. 🤷 The clue is right in his opening statement... It's all "I", "I", "I"... 🤷 He didn't really identify any actual league problem; only his own problem, that really doesn't exist as an actual problem, except that he doesn't have control of it, and that's his problem, not a league problem. Wow you sound so cinical rn lmao. I think you just lost all the credibility you had by claiming Sandman is just some crazy tyrant who dictates all that happen. Nobody here believes that except for you. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 24, 2022 18:39:53 GMT -5
That's what he'd have you believe, sure... And they do get diverse opponents already, Sandman's just "unenthused" about who is getting the shots & winning the tournaments cuz it's not who he likes getting them, so he just wants to choose them himself to make himself happy, and fuck everyone else. 🤷 The clue is right in his opening statement... It's all "I", "I", "I"... 🤷 He didn't really identify any actual league problem; only his own problem, that really doesn't exist as an actual problem, except that he doesn't have control of it, and that's his problem, not a league problem. Wow you sound so cinical rn lmao. I think you just lost all the credibility you had by claiming Sandman is just some crazy tyrant who dictates all that happen. Nobody here believes that except for you. Son, you haven't even seen cynical, let alone know what it means, since you can't even spell it. 🤦 lol So, no... I haven't lost any credibility here at all. It's an observation based on what he said initially in this thread, how he initially presented it, and years of experience in dealing with him; both in ManMMA, and beyond. So don't assume I'm the only one either, cuz I'm not. I'm just literally usually the only one that has the balls enough, or cares enough, to say something cuz I've never been worried about "rocking the boat", or pissing him off, especially when he's just pulling a "Justin being Justin" power play on folks, and there's no issue to be worked out, except in his own brain; Particularly in this instance. Opening with "I'M leaning towards doing ______", assuming that everyone knows what or why he's doing something, when there is actually no issue at all, except his own issue. No other member has mentioned that they have had a problem with this, nor did he claim "It's been brought to my attention...". No... As I said, it was purely all just: "I", "I", "I". 🤷 Therefore, the only problem anyone has/had, is him. So that's not a league problem... It's his problem. No one else was complaining about it at all, cuz there's nothing to complain about on this issue, cuz it didn't/doesn't exist; except in his own mind. So the only logical explanation for that, since it wasn't another member's issue, is that he wants to guide & shape who gets title shots directly himself, and, in theory, to put who he wants as champions, or thinks should be champion, and set them up to be, cuz, as I read it, all I saw was that he was just saying he's really more "unenthused" with the WHO is in the mix, and not the actual process of it. 🤷 Yet, he's the booker, and can put these fighters into the tournaments, but he doesn't. That's not the fault of the process of anything, nor has it been an issue for anyone else but him. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 24, 2022 19:17:00 GMT -5
I stopped reading when you called out a typo to begin your post lmfao.
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 24, 2022 19:24:19 GMT -5
I stopped reading when you called out a typo to begin your post lmfao. Suck it buttercup... 🙄 You're the one that claimed I was being a cynic cuz you don't agree with what I'm saying. 🤷 Especially when it's all in his initial post, if you know what you're looking at, and don't have your blinders up. |
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 24, 2022 23:39:57 GMT -5
In 10 years, I haven't come up with a better system to book the tournaments, so if it's not difficult, help me out. I'm all ears. In 10 years you haven't come with something better, yet in probably about 10 mins Rocky comes in and "spitballs" an idea that doesn't sound half bad. So yeah, I'm not buying that you even thought about it in 10 years, other than deciding on it yourself. 🙄🤦😂😂 lol dude, I think he was trolling you. This is what we have been doing since tournaments started, but they are more complicated than this (i.e. guys ranked 6th can be on 4 fight losing streaks so when that happens, I try t sit them. Guys who are ranked 1 but just lost to the champ don't get an immediate rematch, even though they are ranked #1. Our rankings only change when someone beats that-ranked fighter. So #1 stays #1 until beaten.) This is the cycle that is producing the ranked #7-14 guys fighting for belts, because, as I said, I need 9 top people for the tournament loop. This is what is keeping guys ranked 1-3 fighting (and losing) to the champs, and giving 9th ranked fighters title shots, where they are +1800 underdogs. |
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 24, 2022 23:44:03 GMT -5
Here's where this sits.
If anyone wants to actually understand the incredibly-complicated nature of season-long tournament booking and discuss an alternate suggestion, you have to voice with me. If you are not interested in THAT basic prerequisite, any suggestion or objection you make is factually unfounded (outside of things like "I really like tournaments, or I really like grudge belt fights" etc, which are the opinions I am absolutely interested in hearing, and what I asked for initially in this thread).
Anything to do with the mechanics of long-term booking, and "who deserves a title shot" or "what is fair" are clearly far too messy for this thread. So, as I said, I am more than willing to have that long voice call with anyone who wants it, but without it, no matter how much you think you know about how this shit works, you honestly don't know.
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Post by Team GAP on Mar 24, 2022 23:56:57 GMT -5
Here's where this sits. If anyone wants to actually understand the incredibly-complicated nature of season-long tournament booking and discuss an alternate suggestion, you have to voice with me. If you are not interested in THAT basic prerequisite, any suggestion or objection you make is factually unfounded (outside of things like "I really like tournaments, or I really like grudge belt fights" etc, which are the opinions I am absolutely interested in hearing, and what I asked for initially in this thread). Anything to do with the mechanics of long-term booking, and "who deserves a title shot" or "what is fair" are clearly far too messy for this thread. So, as I said, I am more than willing to have that long voice call with anyone who wants it, but without it, no matter how much you think you know about how this shit works, you honestly don't know. What i heard out of this statement is.... sandmen will do what sandmen wants... if you have an opinion sandmen likes the sandmen will listen otherwise shut up or waste your breath.. sandmen doesnt care. Dont worry... i dont care either. So do what you want cause thats what you will do anyways. P.s. i moved the dog to an undisclosed location... cause i dont want a resue effort. |
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 24, 2022 23:59:29 GMT -5
Here's where this sits. If anyone wants to actually understand the incredibly-complicated nature of season-long tournament booking and discuss an alternate suggestion, you have to voice with me. If you are not interested in THAT basic prerequisite, any suggestion or objection you make is factually unfounded (outside of things like "I really like tournaments, or I really like grudge belt fights" etc, which are the opinions I am absolutely interested in hearing, and what I asked for initially in this thread). Anything to do with the mechanics of long-term booking, and "who deserves a title shot" or "what is fair" are clearly far too messy for this thread. So, as I said, I am more than willing to have that long voice call with anyone who wants it, but without it, no matter how much you think you know about how this shit works, you honestly don't know. What i heard out of this statement is.... sandmen will do what sandmen wants... if you have an opinion sandmen likes the sandmen will listen otherwise shut up or waste your breath.. sandmen doesnt care. Dont worry... i dont care either. So do what you want cause thats what you will do anyways. So what do you make of that whole "I will gladly voice with you for an hour to explain the inter-workings of this tournament booking system if you want"? What I heard out of your reply is "I dont want to understand, I just want my ill-informed opinion to hold up". Once again, if ANYONE wants to understand, I am willing to invest the time. Are you? |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 24, 2022 23:59:51 GMT -5
In 10 years you haven't come with something better, yet in probably about 10 mins Rocky comes in and "spitballs" an idea that doesn't sound half bad. So yeah, I'm not buying that you even thought about it in 10 years, other than deciding on it yourself. 🙄🤦😂😂 lol dude, I think he was trolling you. This is what we have been doing since tournaments started, but they are more complicated than this (i.e. guys ranked 6th can be on 4 fight losing streaks so when that happens, I try t sit them. Guys who are ranked 1 but just lost to the champ don't get an immediate rematch, even though they are ranked #1. Our rankings only change when someone beats that-ranked fighter. So #1 stays #1 until beaten.) This is the cycle that is producing the ranked #7-14 guys fighting for belts, because, as I said, I need 9 top people for the tournament loop. This is what is keeping guys ranked 1-3 fighting (and losing) to the champs, and giving 9th ranked fighters title shots, where they are +1800 underdogs. And again, you're the one booking the tournaments... The onus still lays on you there to book them properly. It's not anything that anyone else is doing wrong, or that the tournaments themselves are wrong. It's you this time, not the process. 🤷 |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 0:08:48 GMT -5
What i heard out of this statement is.... sandmen will do what sandmen wants... if you have an opinion sandmen likes the sandmen will listen otherwise shut up or waste your breath.. sandmen doesnt care. Dont worry... i dont care either. So do what you want cause thats what you will do anyways. So what do you make of that whole "I will gladly voice with you for an hour to explain the inter-workings of this tournament booking system if you want"? What I heard out of your reply is "I dont want to understand, I just want my ill-informed opinion to hold up". Once again, if ANYONE wants to understand, I am willing to invest the time. Are you? No, what he heard was the same BS you spew every time you have to have something your way. Spend an hour on the phone with you, and you spend the entire time explaining how "your way" is the "only" way, and don't listen to anything, or just outright dismiss anything the other person is telling you, cuz you think "your way" is the only way. 🤷 |
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 25, 2022 0:13:16 GMT -5
And again, you're the one booking the tournaments... The onus still lays on you there to book them properly. It's not anything that anyone else is doing wrong, or that the tournaments themselves are wrong. It's you this time, not the process. 🤷 Statements like this show me you actually know even less than I thought you did about how our tournaments are booked. I can now see why you haven't followed anything I have been saying about how and why the tournaments are broken, so it's time I stepped out of this argument-trap. You'll post a vent-reply here, likely full of name-calling as you have most of this thread, so feel free to do that. But I'm done here. Thank you for taking the time to have a stance on this question, posting it clearly, and defending it passionately. I appreciate that much more than people who post no clear opinion of their own, then chime in after 5 pages to try to take a jab at people who work very hard on the site. |
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