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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 0:23:19 GMT -5
And again, you're the one booking the tournaments... The onus still lays on you there to book them properly. It's not anything that anyone else is doing wrong, or that the tournaments themselves are wrong. It's you this time, not the process. 🤷 Statements like this show me you actually know even less than I thought you did about how our tournaments are booked. I can now see why you haven't followed anything I have been saying about how and why the tournaments are broken, so it's time I stepped out of this argument-trap. You'll post a vent-reply here, likely full of name-calling as you have most of this thread, so feel free to do that. But I'm done here. Thank you for taking the time to have a stance on this question, posting it clearly, and defending it passionately. I appreciate that much more than people who post no clear opinion of their own, then chime in after 5 pages to try to take a jab at people who work very hard on the site. No, you're digging your own hole at this point... 🤷 And keep piling shit on top of yourself. You claim this is a "democracy" here now, yet you try to make a mockery of me with the whole GP thing, and then do this? No poll... No real discussion... Just "I want to do this, and I'm probably going to.". Then when there's opposition, you try to make them look like the "bad guy". 🙄 Not this time Justin... You keep digging your hole though. It's a little bit amusing. lol |
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Post by Team GAP on Mar 25, 2022 0:26:48 GMT -5
What i heard out of this statement is.... sandmen will do what sandmen wants... if you have an opinion sandmen likes the sandmen will listen otherwise shut up or waste your breath.. sandmen doesnt care. Dont worry... i dont care either. So do what you want cause thats what you will do anyways. So what do you make of that whole "I will gladly voice with you for an hour to explain the inter-workings of this tournament booking system if you want"? What I heard out of your reply is "I dont want to understand, I just want my ill-informed opinion to hold up". Once again, if ANYONE wants to understand, I am willing to invest the time. Are you? Ive become very apathetic where i dont care anymore justin. I dont care to listen. I dont cate to talk... I dont care to give my opinions.. im not saying i dont want to understand but if your only going to do what you want anyways whats the point in me wasting my time to listen to understand. |
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Post by The Sandman on Mar 25, 2022 0:29:25 GMT -5
im not saying i dont want to understand but if your only going to do what you want anyways whats the point in me wasting my time to listen to understand. You misunderstand. The voice offer is not to convince people of anything, it's to inform them so they can help me fix the problem we have with tournaments. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 0:52:25 GMT -5
im not saying i dont want to understand but if your only going to do what you want anyways whats the point in me wasting my time to listen to understand. You misunderstand. The voice offer is not to convince people of anything, it's to inform them so they can help me fix the problem we have with tournaments. 🙄 That's literally the biggest load of bullshit, and you know it. lol Again, spend an hour on voice with you when there's an "issue", and 95% of it is you trying to convince the other person that you're right, and the other 5% is you trying talk over them, cuz you don't give a shit what they think. 🤷 |
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Post by Lord Byron's Conquistadors on Mar 25, 2022 2:39:07 GMT -5
More detailed version for people keeping track of the technicalities (no one except me, and maybe Austin). For tournaments to work, we need about 9 viable #1 contenders (1 champion, 4 for "this" title shot, then 4 new guys for the "next" title shot). We don't have 9 legitimate title contenders right now in any weightclass, so tournaments are just 2 fighters for legit fighters to walk through for a title shot. Using the non-tournament system would basically mean, in theory, all 8 contenders got a title shot when they earned it ( through rankings), before needing to cycle through again. And that's assuming new people were not heavily upgraded to become contenders. If they were, that pool grows. Right now, with 12th ranked fighters getting title shots because of unclose-able tournament loophopes, rankings aren't being utilized as they should be. thank you for explaining this. i understand what you mean even if other clowns dont. im still fine with whatever but i think a thread this long is way to much drama for when all sandman said was using the non tournament system for the rest of this season. if it dont work or if his title fights suck we can change it right? so who gives this much of a fuck. its just a game. lastly Phoenix FC phx i think you keep taking people having their own opinions and disagreeing with you as some attack. no one is attacking you and if any attacks are happening its the shit you doin against sandman man. i really hope this doesnt turn into one of those threads where we just do whatever phoenix fc wants just because he argued the longest and the loudest because it was kind of bullshit we changed the gp the way he wanted even though most of us voted to keep it the new way. the new way that came in from a democratic poll that people supported my suggestion on that won again on this site. i dont want that to be a trend round here. we shouldt be rewarding that behavior. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 11:52:29 GMT -5
lastly Phoenix FC phx i think you keep taking people having their own opinions and disagreeing with you as some attack. no one is attacking you and if any attacks are happening its the shit you doin against sandman man. i really hope this doesnt turn into one of those threads where we just do whatever phoenix fc wants just because he argued the longest and the loudest because it was kind of bullshit we changed the gp the way he wanted even though most of us voted to keep it the new way. the new way that came in from a democratic poll that people supported my suggestion on that won again on this site. i dont want that to be a trend round here. we shouldt be rewarding that behavior. Brother, that's almost literally what he wants you to think of me. 🙄 Yes, my responses can be long-winded, so that I ensure I'm being absolutely clear, cuz my words get so bloody twisted around all the time by folks like Sandman, Rocketmen or Snakes, trying to make it sound like I'm saying something that I'm not, that I have to be long-winded. There was also no "behavior", of which you speak, in this thread, Byron. Sandman elected to make a purely selfish post, that in no way, shape, or form, addressed any actual problem that he was approached with by another member. He arbitrarily decided he was probably going to do something because HE was "unenthused", not because anyone else was, nor is/was there a real issue with the tournament system either. It's just easier for him to blame the entire system than to own up to the fact that the way he was booking them was the "problem" that was causing him to be "unenthused", and just simply tweak the booking system he was using for the tournaments, which there is no issue with other than the fact it's not fighters that HE wants/thinks should be in the tournaments or winning them. Yet, he's literally, and conveniently, forgetting the fact that this is Era 2, and we're only 2 seasons into it, and it's probably not going to be fighters that he thinks/wants that get those tournament berths, or title shots, right off the bat, because everyone started from scratch, we all upgrade differently, and likely different fighters than he would think/want doing so. That's not the fault of tournament system at all, nor is the way he's presented it here, a democratic process just because he posted it in the "Polls" board. He asked for thoughts on it, and I gave my thoughts on it; honestly & uninhibited. There was no drama, and no name calling until Snakes decided to try and call me cynical for disagreeing with this move for valid reasons, whether he thinks they are or not. As for the GP stuff, this is the first I've heard about the status of that; from you right here. I was told that I had to accept the results of that BS poll, which was used to troll me btw, not to get an actual read or consensus on it, and was just a farce. Because if it were an actual poll, it would've just been a simple A or B poll, without a C option, basically ensuring that my proposal to change it back would get shot down, just in case there were people on the fence, or just simply didn't care. I was fully prepared to abstain from any subsequent GPs if it was to be kept that and not put back to the seeding system. If it has been changed back to normal, I'm glad that I won't have to not participate in the GPs. Thanks for letting me know... I'm also sorry that, 4 years ago, I may have either thought that it was a good idea or simply that it was great that someone other than Sandman was coming up with ideas. I changed my mind about it now after seeing it in practice, and seeing how it could be used as an unfair advantage, and I wanted no part of it as it was, cuz I can see how it could be used a cheating mechanism. That's it. It was never an accusation that anyone was using it that way, just that it could be used that way. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 25, 2022 13:47:43 GMT -5
lastly Phoenix FC phx i think you keep taking people having their own opinions and disagreeing with you as some attack. no one is attacking you and if any attacks are happening its the shit you doin against sandman man. i really hope this doesnt turn into one of those threads where we just do whatever phoenix fc wants just because he argued the longest and the loudest because it was kind of bullshit we changed the gp the way he wanted even though most of us voted to keep it the new way. the new way that came in from a democratic poll that people supported my suggestion on that won again on this site. i dont want that to be a trend round here. we shouldt be rewarding that behavior. Sandman elected to make a purely selfish post, that in no way, shape, or form, addressed any actual problem that he was approached with by another member. He arbitrarily decided he was probably going to do something because HE was "unenthused", not because anyone else was, nor is/was there a real issue with the tournament system either. He posted it for a reason. If he wanted to just make the change without saying anything, as the fight booker, he has that right; however, he wanted to see how people felt about it first. He asked for thoughts on it, and I gave my thoughts on it; honestly & uninhibited. There was no drama, and no name calling until Snakes decided to try and call me cynical for disagreeing with this move for valid reasons, whether he thinks they are or not. That's because you're being cynical. You literally think Sandmen has some shady motive behind a proposal to make title fights more interesting, without even seeing how it would work in practice. If you were not being cynical, you would be down to at least give it a go, or maybe you're this defensive because all the title shots you get are those lower ranked tournaments? Not sure. As for the GP thing, I'd rather you participate, but I think it was pretty shitty to threaten to quit the GP if you didn't get your way. It is what it is though, that's in the past now. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 16:43:55 GMT -5
Sandman elected to make a purely selfish post, that in no way, shape, or form, addressed any actual problem that he was approached with by another member. He arbitrarily decided he was probably going to do something because HE was "unenthused", not because anyone else was, nor is/was there a real issue with the tournament system either. He posted it for a reason. If he wanted to just make the change without saying anything, as the fight booker, he has that right; however, he wanted to see how people felt about it first. He asked for thoughts on it, and I gave my thoughts on it; honestly & uninhibited. There was no drama, and no name calling until Snakes decided to try and call me cynical for disagreeing with this move for valid reasons, whether he thinks they are or not. That's because you're being cynical. You literally think Sandmen has some shady motive behind a proposal to make title fights more interesting, without even seeing how it would work in practice. If you were not being cynical, you would be down to at least give it a go, or maybe you're this defensive because all the title shots you get are those lower ranked tournaments? Not sure. As for the GP thing, I'd rather you participate, but I think it was pretty shitty to threaten to quit the GP if you didn't get your way. It is what it is though, that's in the past now. And here you go with the name calling again... 🙄🤷 I'm not a cynic, nor is it cynical at all. We did have it where he just decided the contenders, before your time & before the tournaments, and it was worse. The tournaments literally was his best idea because it didn't give him carte blanche to manipulate anything. And I don't expect you to understand that either, because you haven't been around as long as many of the rest of us, and you've become a lap dog for him, just like Rocky is. 🤷 You wouldn't even be in the position you're in if I was actually a "Yessir, yessir... Three bags full, sir." kinda guy, and bowed down to everything he comes up with; cuz I would be in your position... If I were that type of guy. The GP thing... Like it or lump it; I don't give a shit. 🤷 After the shit we had to deal with, with Cannon in Era 1 trying to circumvent rules, among others, including "The Grand Pubah"... 🙄 It's not something I wanted to be a part of if it was going to be a pick and choose kinda thing where you can choose your easiest path to victory, if you so choose to. Not my bag man... I choose win & lose on my own merits, not cuz someone picked my team on the off chance they think they'll have an easier time against my team than the team they were supposed to face. Fuck that noise. |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 25, 2022 16:56:13 GMT -5
He posted it for a reason. If he wanted to just make the change without saying anything, as the fight booker, he has that right; however, he wanted to see how people felt about it first. That's because you're being cynical. You literally think Sandmen has some shady motive behind a proposal to make title fights more interesting, without even seeing how it would work in practice. If you were not being cynical, you would be down to at least give it a go, or maybe you're this defensive because all the title shots you get are those lower ranked tournaments? Not sure. As for the GP thing, I'd rather you participate, but I think it was pretty shitty to threaten to quit the GP if you didn't get your way. It is what it is though, that's in the past now. you've become a lap dog for him, just like Rocky is. 🤷 You wouldn't even be in the position you're in if I was actually a "Yessir, yessir... Three bags full, sir." kinda guy, and bowed down to everything he comes up with; cuz I would be... If I were that type of guy. The fact you actually believe that this is true is hilarious. The amount of headaches I've given Sandmen is... well, many headaches. But if you think you could do what I do, knock yourself out. Also, just because it seems spontaneous, doesn't mean it is. A lot of ideas don't even leave the groupchat between staff. Normally we discuss these things at length before they're even posted. That's why it seems like we just agree with whatever he says, because if he posts it, it means we probably already agreed with him. |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 17:19:29 GMT -5
you've become a lap dog for him, just like Rocky is. 🤷 You wouldn't even be in the position you're in if I was actually a "Yessir, yessir... Three bags full, sir." kinda guy, and bowed down to everything he comes up with; cuz I would be... If I were that type of guy. The fact you actually believe that this is true is hilarious. The amount of headaches I've given Sandmen is... well, many headaches. But if you think you could do what I do, knock yourself out. Laugh it up then, but it's a fact... 🤷 Cuz I did do what you do, and, in fact, more in many cases... 🙄 so if you think that's hilarious, how about actually trying to update the team rosters page in time for the fucking draft, instead of leaving it dormant since the beginning of November last year?! 🤔🤦 Sure, I may have left things for a few weeks, at most, but never nearly 5 months. He can deal with headaches... What he can't deal with is outright defiance, even when he is actually in the wrong. Also, just because it seems spontaneous, doesn't mean it is. A lot of ideas don't even leave the groupchat between staff. Normally we discuss these things at length before they're even posted. That's why it seems like we just agree with whatever he says, because if he posts it, it means we probably already agreed with him. Tell me something I don't know... 🙄🤷 Some of the shit discussed in there shouldn't even be discussed at all, let alone made public. lol And no, he'll post things anyways if he really wants to do it, whether you agree with it or not. He really doesn't care what you think, especially if you don't agree with him. I learned that real quick in those meetings. lol Surprised you haven't... |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 25, 2022 18:08:00 GMT -5
Do you know how long it took me to figure out why I was nicknamed rocky?
I love it.
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 18:10:29 GMT -5
Do you know how long it took me to figure out why I was nicknamed rocky? I love it. Two reasons... One more attractive than the other. 😜😂😂 |
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Post by The Rocketmen on Mar 25, 2022 19:38:14 GMT -5
Do you know how long it took me to figure out why I was nicknamed rocky? I love it. Two reasons... One more attractive than the other. 😜😂😂 Im assuming its rocky and bulwinkle for the "pairing" but i also feel like i could be compared to a slow and slurring stallone so im good with both and will wear this badge haha |
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Post by Phoenix FC on Mar 25, 2022 19:46:27 GMT -5
Two reasons... One more attractive than the other. 😜😂😂 Im assuming its rocky and bulwinkle for the "pairing" but i also feel like i could be compared to a slow and slurring stallone so im good with both and will wear this badge haha Correct with the first one... lol |
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Post by The Texas Rattlesnakes on Mar 25, 2022 19:47:10 GMT -5
The fact you actually believe that this is true is hilarious. The amount of headaches I've given Sandmen is... well, many headaches. But if you think you could do what I do, knock yourself out. Laugh it up then, but it's a fact... 🤷 Cuz I did do what you do, and, in fact, more in many cases... 🙄 so if you think that's hilarious, how about actually trying to update the team rosters page in time for the fucking draft, instead of leaving it dormant since the beginning of November last year?! 🤔🤦 Sure, I may have left things for a few weeks, at most, but never nearly 5 months. Yeah, I was waiting to update the roster page to troll you for being a douche in that thread, but then I legitimately forgot, and now im the douche!!!!! Side note, what the fuck do you think you did for the site, cuz I 100% know it is not more than I do/have done. |
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